With Which Is “Occupy” More “Preoccupied”: Freedom or “Consensus”?

GET  LIBERATED  FROM  FALSE  “LIBERALS.”

About a month ago I was blocked from Occupy Rochester’s Facebook group, as I just found out through the twisted grapevine that included one Katherine Denison, one Jayvan Javier Santos and one Eric Maloney, because anyone who cares about babies automatically hates women, and anyone who has Black within them must be mocking Blacks. Let’s learn our lessons from “Occupy” (or it should be “PREoccupy ourselves with Marxist P.C. Newspeak”) lest we get blindsided worse in the future with their diabolical promises of community organizing: that’s the trouble you have when you get into ideological agendas. Under the pretense of COMMUNALITY (“Let’s all work together”) they’re actually MECHANICAL and so much so that there isn’t room in their total chaos strategy for one humane thought. From their own words and actions anybody can see that these are the exact people are gearing up to bring us all the carnage of Soviet Russia and the global slavery of Nineteen Eighty-Four. Let’s not overlook moreover their slimy cowardice. No one will come forward and admit to blocking me. Anyone else get that? They all consent to my ouster.

Resisting the Occupy Movement’s herders’ (sorry, coordinators’) slimy charm is largely a matter of buckling down and spending three minutes educating yourself. My conclusion? By “Let’s work together” they simply mean “Let’s all form a mindless machine Satan can run to all our destruction.” But you draw your own conclusions and enlighten me once you’ve had the courage to read the organizers’ own Lucifer-dedicated PLAYBOOK and get a handle on the organizers’ master plan before they handle you!

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Jayvan Javier Santos It isn’t Luciferian thought, it’s about power to the people how it was back then when this country was created. I will read though then comment again.
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Jayvan Javier Santos Well, it was blocked at work..So much for that:

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Brian S. Briskie Jayvan, again I’m willing to let some of your comments roll, as you’re still wet behind the ears. “power to the people, like when our country was first formed?”. Dude, back then slavery was legal and even morally accepted in a lot of the country. Women were second class citizens and couldn’t vote. Our forfathers established an electoral college system because the average person could read, write or make avalid decision without sound information.

Believe me Jayvan, you don’t want to live in the America of “then”. You don’t even want to grow up in the America many of our parents did.
8 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos The America where the people had a voice (even though it was only men). It just needs an official 2012 update.
8 hours ago · Like
Brian S. Briskie Jayvan, if you think the government is dysfunctional now…(and it is), imagine if every citizen had a say in every day’s operations and decisions. Democray doesn’t work, a Republic does.
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Jayvan Javier Santos Not in EVERY SINGLE THING. But in the things that affect them yes. It can possibly be achieved by technology. Doesn’t hurt to try and if the system is open enough it can be changed with no problem if it’s not good enough. Right now we have to fight to change the system.
8 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire Fact: the book Rules for Radicals is expressly dedicated to Lucifer. I HAVE PHYSICALLY CHECKED IT OUT MYSELF. (I had to wash my hands after.)
7 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos I never read that book, am I going by one of the rules that might slow down productivity?
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John Paul McGuire Also interesting are the tranSHAMANistic (sorry, transhumanistic) overtones present in the sentiment that some new technology is going to change the nature of human governance. There is only one political answer you can hang your hat on. LOCALISM! FOREVER!
7 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos We don’t need a new type of tech, we have enough tech to do it right now.
7 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire Just the same, if I don’t miss my guess, your assumptions stem from some newer trendier ideas than you’re letting on.
7 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos We just need an electoral reform where it’s easier to vote.
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John Paul McGuire Yeah, like in Chicago. Vote early, vote often!
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John Paul McGuire ‎Jayvan, are you at all aware of the insidious eugenics project hiding behind just such plans as the ones you are proposing?
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Brian S. Briskie vote for years after your own demise…
7 hours ago · Like
Brian S. Briskie If anything, we need to make it harder to vote, so that people are required to have some knowledge on the issue/candidate they vote for.
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Jayvan Javier Santos So a course/teach in?

I’m aware of Eugenics and the regulation of our food supply and all of that. Sustainability is being put in the wrong hands, that is all.
7 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire Yes, specifically FAR AWAY HANDS.
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Jayvan Javier Santos I agree with that. But everybody’s vote should count. If people don’t research it’s on the community or themselves to inform them. Just liberate the resources and the vigilant people will use the resources to get informed.
6 hours ago · Like
Brian S. Briskie ‎”If people don’t research-it’s on the community to inform them? Jayvan…you’re either about self reliance, or you’re not.
6 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos I am, people need to research it when the resources are available you can’t force them to do things and become educated. You give them the choice.
6 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos I’m all for localism John.
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John Paul McGuire The point is, there should be no big mechanism for “helping” people do anything because IN TEN OUT OF TEN CASES IT WILL END BY ABUSING THEM.
6 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos Resources are the best thing you can invest in. Uncontrolled and open sourced..
6 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire The only thing that should be big and powerful is the family, and the only INSTITUTION that genuinely cares about the family is the family. Enough b***s*** about programs; go home and be a family.
6 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos Unless each and every family member takes the time to find all these resources teaching them will be hard.
6 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire Let the family be a family, let them either learn to help each other or reap what they sow. Stop playing God.
6 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos I’m not telling anybody what to do..It’s good to have the resources instead of staying in a family mindset like the nuclear war isolation mentality.
6 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire Sorry to offend your transhumanism. Maybe you can explain how you can be a true localist and disdain the family.
6 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire Was it not Hillary Clinton (famous Alinskyite) who said, “It takes a herd–er, I mean, a village–to raise a child. (Can we edit that out?)” Spoken like a true licentious matriarch.
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Jayvan Javier Santos Transhumanism will fail. The only thing we need (there are things that people want) is just an update to the electoral reform. You give the family the free resource to educate their children and where to find things like healthy food, or how to grow your own and it’s up to the family to decide to use that, provide feedback, edit it, make their own version do whatever they want. Liberty is still here.
6 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos Exactly a resource, they don’t have to use it..
5 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire What you’re talking about leads straight to indoctrination, propaganda, brainwashing, p.r. It isn’t a matter of “giving” people things. It is a matter of getting out of the way and letting them get should they so choose. This is the essence of liberty, and this is how republics work, a thing that, unlike democracies, they actually do.
5 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire If you are using tax dollars to make something freely available YOU ARE BRAINWASHING. This is just like George W. Bush saying that the news media didn’t “have to” use their fake news reels.
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Jayvan Javier Santos You don’t need the tax money for everything, you just need dedicated people to help each other out. Everything doesn’t have to be free. I just feel educational resources/information should. The public library, the family, the government, community spaces- none of these things are a bigger resource than the people providing the resources they already know. Which is crowdsourcing.
5 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos Then we won’t have people complaining about having 6 years of college and no job. Well if you would go to the public library or go here here and here this won’t happen.
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John Paul McGuire No tax dollars? Well then knock yourself out.
5 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos That’s like going against a public library/college/education/information. I’m tired of information being oppressed. It’s time for people to have the choice to be aware/make it easier for them to be. You can chose to continue to live in the matrix and that’s their choice.

I think this can be done with not that many tax dollars. Your tax dollars are going to a trillion debt expansion and an expensive war but some of it can’t go back to the community and education??
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John Paul McGuire Crowdsourcing? Sounds like a delicious home-cooked meal to me. I’m not sure information can be oppressed since it doesn’t have freewill to begin with. It can be suppressed. Well, if you’re for overhauling the system, one would think you’d at least have the guts to reduce the taxes that go toward debt and war. But no, the redistribution welfare system is also a lost cause, all ideologies aside.
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Jayvan Javier Santos Yeah, it’s when people get together face to face or online and provide solutions and implement action. In this case it will be a gathering of resources. Reduce the taxes that go to war, and put them towards defense (for the people worried about security). You talked about the Vaticans right? There are more groups than that who suppress information, like private colleges, some are expanding their online courses to the people who can’t do their times and for the people that don’t have the money there are alternatives.

I’m down for choices, if I had the choice to put my money in defense instead of an offensive war, I would but put some there and most back to the community where I reside.
4 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire The illegal income tax must disappear, no compromise.
4 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos Oh yeah, I’m down for that too. But what will replace it?
4 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire Something few Occupiers seem to understand so far. INITIATIVE.
4 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos Well can you explain what type of initiative? I want to learn.
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John Paul McGuire I mean the fact of initiative alone which is an expression of a freedom that has no strings attached and no bureaucracy built into it, that is the fruit of this awakening you say you’re so keen on. It isn’t all about programs. It isn’t even all about philosophy. It’s about vitality!
4 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos Yeah, being self-reliant lol. Taking the initiative yourself once you learn what you want to learn. Instead of being slaved. That is the shift of consciousness, where people realize it’s about caring. Those are the people that will survive and evolve in the log run.
4 hours ago · Like
Jayvan Javier Santos In my point of view that is..see we have points of unity, people just have to discuss..in a calm manner without attacking each other..
4 hours ago · Like
Brian S. Briskie Wait John…he’s going to ask you to blog about initiative
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John Paul McGuire This is key. More key thank you may know at this stage. So pay close attention. Everyone has to come by themselves to knowledge and to love. That’s what I want to stress, Jayvan. You seem to have the right intention and the wrong tools.

I think I’m just as much in that boat, but I think together we can get there. I often want to force people to look at the facts, but as I come to realize what the ingredients are in freedom, I realize that forcing anything takes the effort backwards. Always.
4 hours ago · Like · 1
Jayvan Javier Santos Outreach it, do whatever. Write a book, sing, idk- but the point is to not isolate things, doing things behind doors or whatever. Especially when it doesn’t come down to IP rights.
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Jayvan Javier Santos The best thing to do is to provide people the resource, and we already have one in Rochester! http://rocwiki.org/
Rochester Wiki – The People’s Guide to Rochester
rocwiki.org
Welcome to RocWiki, the People’s guide to Rochester, New York. This site is continually updated, expanded, and improved by people in Rochester, NY because they want to share what they love or loathe about their city. You can search the site by using the box on the upper right of every page, or you c…
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John Paul McGuire When we freedom fighters have “evolved” we will come to love stupid people for their stupidity, to find them endearing just as they are, not in a condescending way, not tempted to set up an idealistic system of sage-kings, but truly loving simplicity, poverty, “stupidity,” commonness. Once we have thus “evolved,” we are truly free. People don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care…about them just as they are. I am my brother’s keeper, but I am not my brother’s spoon-feeder.
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Jayvan Javier Santos You start caring by knowing.
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John Paul McGuire http://rocwiki.org/Illuminati_Catacomb_System
Illuminati Catacomb System – Rochester Wiki
rocwiki.org
The Illuminati Catacomb System does not exist beneath our city as an intricate network of subterranean passageways, connecting major centers of power, taking advantage of the natural caves formed by our city’s limestone foundation. There are no entryways to this non-existent network hidden inside mo…
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John Paul McGuire Loving is repaid with love. Knowledge is not quite supreme or primal as Occultists suppose.
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Jayvan Javier Santos I don’t know if I should check that out or what.
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Jayvan Javier Santos Have you checked those places out?
4 hours ago · Like
John Paul McGuire Even Occultists, if grilled, will concede that God is love, light, sharing, caring, prior to and superior to knowing. Divine light is not exactly the same as cerebral information. It’s “light-years” beyond that.
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John Paul McGuire ‎^ That’s what I mean about “God.” It is not something DOWNGRADING, but ELEVATING. Orthodox Christian teaching is the world’s best-kept secret. It has not been tried and found wanting; by and large it has been found too much of a shock to the system and left untried!
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Jayvan Javier Santos Personally I think God built the system for us to create and gain knowledge and is letting us take the wheel of our survival. It has always been like that IMO, it’s just people like violence and war instead of peace and discussion when resolving conflicts..
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John Paul McGuire Okay, that’s good. Obviously our backgrounds differ but our observations and our goals align. My guess is, we are using the term “God” differently. That always short-circuits such conversations, but having a personal sense of God is one of the keys to not letting the state overstep its bounds. Anyway, I would agree that God allows freewill, though He is absolutely Providential. It’s a paradox no doubt, but basically it operates on a higher dimension than Newton or positivism allow us to consider. I would also agree that God often gives us what we ask for. That’s why Jesus entreats us to pray, to pray always and to address God (and Him alone) as “Papa”!

Saul Alinsky, a Russian Jew, attacks dogma as the enemy of man. He denounces orthodoxy then sets forth his own list of rules. This is how Satan operates. Pure hypocrisy, pure corruption, pure perversion, pure double-standard, Aliester Crowly, uncompromising “let’s be bad” mentality. With Lucifer, the lying light, there are no principles to free the spirit, only rules to enslave. But he can’t afford to just come out and admit to having rules; he has to call them something else; everything, absolutely everything, is smoke and mirrors with him. God says, “I am who am”; Satan says, “I am who am not.” Even his existence is a lie. (Because, I contend, only love lasts beyond this world, and Jesus would be the One who gave the supreme model of love, self-sacrifice on the deepest personal level.)

For an example, look at the scandals Demnocrats get away with that Republicans could never survive! Not that Republicans are angels, but I think Demoncrats are, as it were, “ahead of the curve” in double-standards and what almost seems to be a dogged personal commitment to hypocrisy!

So the upshot of this is, be all the “spiritual” you want, provided you discern among spirits. Is there any doubt that a film like Superbad was Nietzsche-inspired?
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Jayvan Javier Santos We need to be regulated less, when people say we’re asking for more government idk where they are getting that idea from. Or the one where people are scared saying Occupy is asking for anarchy and chaos. Wrong.

Also Lucifer was a great magician and that’s why he was stopped. Satan or whatever you want to call him are not the same people. Just to be clear on my view of that, but yeah people should be able to practice whatever religion as long as their church doesn’t get involved into politics, the only people that should be involved are just that PEOPLE. We shouldn’t have representatives because they aren’t doing their job so we should just have messengers and unbiased analysts.
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John Paul McGuire If people accuse you of agitating for socialism, take it as an opportunity to become all the more entrenched, because you can never be too entrenched, in only advocating for more family.

If people accuse you of advocating primitivism, listen to them and try to find out what they value in the present system/order/establishment. It’s not a sin against the cause (assuming on some level it’s a just one) to take time to listen and think and talk. Listening is an art, and it’ll make all those “idk”s go away. You’ll get this with time. Even if your goal is mere human knowledge, it is still best served by learning to question yourself!

“Lucifer” means “light-bearer.” “Satan” means “accuser.” There are reasons a person may change his/her name, often having to do with entering or (in this case) departing God’s service. Scriptural examples include: “Abram” -> “Abraham,” “Saul” -> “Paul.”

Churches most certainly can get involved in politics under the Constitution (especially if you look at original federal and state constitutions); it is the state that cannot get involved in churches!

If you’re getting at what I think you are, we share a vision of D.C. as a very seldom (perhaps annually and totally transparently) convening body. This would be a corollary of localism.
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John Paul McGuire Given the impressionability of the young, there is realistically no power to the people without power to the parents.
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John Paul McGuire FROM ETYMONLINE.COM

– Devil (GREEK): http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=devil&searchmode=none
– Satan (HEBREW): http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=satan&searchmode=none
– Lucifer (LATIN): http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=lucifer&searchmode=none

Different names, different languages, same being? Recall Zeus and Jupiter et al. Is anyone making the case that they are different entities?
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Brian S. Briskie Guys…seperating religion from politics is like splitting atoms. It’s almost impossible, complicated and will only result in big bangs. The two, unfortunate as it may be, walk hand-in-hand.

And therein lies one of life’s big problems. Organized religion does and has done, more to divide people than it has to unite them.
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